I am happy to work with most situations in the counselling room and sometimes recognise the benefit of accepting different client needs and contracts. It is entirely possible to work creatively with presenting issues that do not seem to fit with text book guidelines and treatment outcomes.
It is good to gain another client to which ultimately adds to weekly incomes however are there limits for accepting seemingly manipulative "change other" contracts from the actual parent. It is a tricky situation indeed as the counselor is required to understand the parent's own psychological (internal) Parent ego state and then deal with the emotional issues of the child.
There are bound to be some confronting areas of mediation and clarifying with the real time parent-child relationship. The actual parent may not like not being in control and think the counsellor is going against their wishes. This may indicate some confusion about the "contract" or goal established during the initial consultation. The parent might feel betrayed and misunderstood if the counsellor attempts deconfusing work too early in the treatment.

It is ok if the counsellor chooses not to accept the Parent Contract with the actual parent by carefully confronting the real time parent and child relationship just in the same manner as the psychological Parent-Child dialogue for an individual. Otherwise the going may get tough further down the track and treatment outcomes may begin to look like the picture of the baby above (top) for the child.
Perhaps a better contract is for the mediation of their relationship which must include both mother and child's willingness for deconfusion and decontaminating aspects of their relationship. Without that willingness (contract), in my view the counsellor can not really accept the Parent Contract with the parent (in the room) parent contract.
Kenoath


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So... are you saying that sometimes the parent tries to get the counsellor to convince the kid to become exactly what the parent wants them to be (behave, believe, want etc...)? So... then it's perhaps best to get the parent and kid getting along as different separate individuals rather than promising that you'll change the kid for the parent?
Am i even close? and are you a TA type person too?
roses
Thats right Roses, sometimes it is wise to clarify contracts so that the controlling parent agrees to a contract for change rather than not. Often the parent has some 'issues' and there is a belief the problem belongs to the child. Thus the change other contract. Quite a few times the son has similar behaviours to his separated dad or someone. The mother then seems to reinforce her transferential issue with the son and wants the boy to change her issues for her.
oh that was me Roses, Kenoath
So... would that be the same in when a person is dealing with the parent and child ego and chooses to involve the therapist?
roses
Ps, did you loose your house key or something? You appear to be anonymous in your own blog. But it's nice to not be the only one.
Yes, roses one must listen for the "cons" in the child part and find a way to work with the Parent part too. If both parts are willing to hand over to Adult then thats a good start.
kenoath
I remember some one once mentioned an interesting statement regarding what is Adult in the TA,"whatever is not Parent or Child," I think I go with that definition.
I would imagine it to be a difficult situation for the counselor when the parents are making the contract (i.e. change my daughter or son ....)
Maryam.
Hi Maryam! Gosh it's nice to see you! Hope you're doing well and how are your studies going? Are you closer to the finish? It's just so nice to see you! Cheers
roses
Hi Maryam, yes and in some cases there isn't much left over- to allocate to the Adult.
Some situations are quite difficult Maryam. If the Parent feels that the counsellor is not following what she wants for the child, they will go and find another counsellor who will.
Some have a long line of ex counselors who don't wish to make contracts with the Perfect Parent Contract.
kenoath
Hi Kenoath,
After reading your post maybe there are three similar contracts.
The Parent ego state contract from the client
The biological parent contract from the clients mother / father
The counsellor contract, what the client thinks the counsellor thinks the client should do
If that makes any sense?
Graffiti
I suppose the counsellor should make their choice to please the parents or else! Making an Adult contract withouth the actual parent in the room is difficult enough.
some times I wonder if having the actual parents present in the room is far easier from dealing with the Parent in the clients' heads.
Maryam
Dear Roses,
Thanks for your strokes.
Maryam.
Its definitely not in most cases Maryam. Or at least that is the case with my clients. Much easier to work with one contract and no parent in the room. The thing is, sometimes it is necessary to have the biological parent there so that their Parent ego (contract) sees merit, trusts or approves of treatment direction. Without that there is not much hope of re booking or committment to healing process.
I think I get some tough mothers and it is important to include them rather than not.
kenoath
Hi Graffiti, I like the way you have differentiated those contracts. The third one seems complex, rather seeing the three contracts like that shows the complexity of such situations.
Sometimes I get phone conversations from mothers at a point in therapy where they have a need to tell me all sorts of information about there child at home and school etc. This is where the parent feels like there is some loss of control (perhaps the child is changing for the better)
When I have said (genuinely)at the end of those phone converstaions "thank you for telling me all of that", I never hear from them again.
The problem with the child seems to lay with the parent in some difficult cases. Hard slog for the counsellor to find ways of pleasing parent (control) so that he may work with child.
Parent ulterior transaction is "we are staying stuck thankyou very much Mr Counsellor" Counsellor countertransference can be "Fucking blackmail if you ask me" or matter of fact and the reality of "Oh well, see you later".
Kenoath
Ohh but Ken... what about the kid? Is the kid the client or the mum/dad? And...when does he/she get to learn how to work this thing called life out so when they're on their own they can choose for themselves? Ohh, this is really yucky!
Maryam,
I'm just too selfish to give strokes - i was commenting on how it was nice for ME to see you. The strokes were all mine when i saw you here. But i'll share them with you if you like. But really - i hope you're doing well.
Graffiti,
That last contract sounds like a doosy! I'm gonna try and stay way away from that one! Ouch! Is it possible to stay out of that one?
roses
Good comment Kenoath,
When the person paying or in charge does like the changes that are ocurring and you get the phone call.
I had one recently when a child was brought to me for school phobia. After a while it became apparent that mother really didn't want the child to go to school and thus after some time he never returned.
Graffiti
I am glad that someone else has noted that Parent unwellness with their child's improvement in counselling Graffiti.
It would be easy for the counsellor to become confused about their "staying unwell" contract and begin to doubt there own techniques.
The counsellor might not like the Parent contract getting in the way of the childs expression and in some way "pleasing her" is the con do work with child. Its a part of the game and the reason for the childs anger. This goes for Biological and Ego versions of Parent contracts.
Hello Kenoath,
Funny that as I thought about your comments.
Probably if it wasn't for me, life wouldn't be nice or nicer to you one could argue Roses.
I do agree that we stroke ourselves following that theory, I did so too.
regards, Maryam.
I wonder sometimes if anyone anywhere knows how to give strokes to another. It's kind of like agreeing with a person who has just explained them selves to you and i recieved it the only way that i know i can. Problem is... i'm not the person who's retelling their experience. I can't really know what they mean so how can i know what i'm agreeing to?
Same with strokes. Sometimes it's up to us to learn to give ourselves strokes because there's no one who knows what i like. No one can realy know when i've succeeded. No one else but me.
It's really nice that others offer strokes, but it's really for themselves. It seems to be a kind of ... projected pleasure? Pleasure in an outward direction?
Does that even make any sense?
Take care Maryam, it's a lovely day here today. Well it's hot and sunny and steamy but it's nice cause i can smell/feel/sense more rain. Can't see it yet but it's here already (it's intention is anyway)
Cheers... roses
Oh my goodness! So I teach everyone around me how to give me strokes? That's what we do???
So weird...
roses
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